Daniel
Goleman:
History tells
us that, with
every paradigm
shift in science,
a new frontier
of legitimate
investigation
opens. And
from that
new frontier
come answers
to questions
the old paradigm
did not allow
to be asked.
It seems to
me you're
posing questions
that have
not been allowed
before a precarious
position.
Karl
Pribram:
Let me tell
you how I
got into the
holographic
story. First,
though, I
want to make
it clear that
this is a
development
of theory
and is fairly
independent
of the day
today laboratory
research program
that engages
me. The theory
is largely
based on the
research of
others. Nonetheless,
because I
am actively
doing brain
research,
I have had
the opportunity
of at least
checking for
myself the
essential
results on
which it is
based.
Back
in the 1950s,
people dealing
with the brain
and those
dealing with
mental processes
weren't together.
Psychologists,
who were supposed
to be dealing
with mental
processes,
by and large
at that time
thought “mind"
was a dirty
word; they
were dealing
with behavior.
People who
studied the
brain were
in neurophysiology.
I wondered
why people
who were interested
in behavior
weren't also
interested
in brain function.
The answer
always was
that we simply
didn't know
enough about
the brain-
a fair evaluation
of the state
of the art.
For
one thing,
brain science
was plagued
by some classic,
unsolved mysteries.
One was the
puzzle of
memory loss.
More exactly,
why was that
any given
discrete memory
would not
be lost after
brain injury?
If a person
has a stroke,
and half his
in is destroyed,
he doesn't
come home
and recognize
only half
his family.
It doesn't
work that
way. Either
memory is
destroyed
completely
or nothing
is lost. There's
no correspondence
between how
much tissue
is damaged
and how much
memory is
lost.
Experiments
had been done
showing that
just 2 percent
of the fibers
in a particular
system would
retain that
system's functions.
There's an
amazing amount
of redundancy
in the brain.
Imagine if
98 percent
of your kidneys
were gone,
but the other
2 percent
worked so
well you couldn't
d anything
wrong at all.
The brains
spare reserve
for memory
is fantastic.
And we couldn't
explain it.
Thus,
for over half
a century,
physiologists
have searched
for an “engram”—a
change in
brain cells
that marks
a memory trace.
They've never
found one.
Memory seems
to be distributed
throughout
the brain,
located in
no particular
part.
Goleman:
What are the
other classic
puzzles of
brain science?
Pribram:
One, there's
the constancy
problem, the
question of
how we can
recognize
an object
regardless
of distance
or the perspective
from which
it is viewed.
No matter
where you
sit in this
room I can
recognize
you as Dan
Goleman. You
can sit far
away or very
near, and
I don't look
at you and
think that
your head
has become
swollen or
shrunk. Your
head looks
a reasonable
size no matter
where you
are. Yet the
question raised
is: how does
a hard wired
brain, in
which connections
between parts
are fixed,
allow perceptual
flexibility?
Then
there's a
similar puzzle
in the motor
system, in
which skills
can be transferred
from one limb
to another...I'm
right handed,
but if I try,
I can write
with my left
hand. Or even
by holding
a pencil in
my teeth.
Next time
you are at
the beach,
try to write
in the sand
with your
left big toe.
The puzzle
is that the
part of the
brain that
controls the
left hand,
or the teeth,
or the big
toe has never
written anything
before. How
does that
particular
group of brain
cells process
information
about writing?
Something
has happened
that takes
memory of
my learning
how to write
and distributes
it to places
in the brain
where it's
never been
called on
before. There
was, until
.recently,
no good explanation
for the brain's
ability to
do that.
Goleman:
Where have
puzzles like
that led you?
Pribram:
Ideas started
to come together
in the mid
60s. A major
factor was
the invention
of the hologram.
A hologram
produces a
three dimensional
image from
a photographic
film on which
the interference
pattern of
light waves
reflected
from an object
or scene has
been recorded.
When the film
is illuminated,
an image of
the object
is produced.
Goleman:
What does
any of this
have to do
with the brain?
Pribram:
Sir John Eccles
mentioned
in an article
several years
ago that "synaptic
potentials"
-the electrical
exchanges
between brain
cells -don't
occur alone.
Every nerve
branches,
and when the
electrical
message goes
down the branches
a ripple,
or a wave
front is formed.
When other
wave fronts
come to the
same, location
from other
directions,
the wave fronts
intersect
and set up
an interference
pattern. It's
somewhat like
the meeting
of ripples
that form
around two
pebbles thrown
into a pond.
It
seemed plausible
to me that
if there are
interfering
wave fronts
in the brain,
those fronts
might have
the same properties
as a hologram.
Both holograms
and brain
tissue can
be cut up
without removing
their image-processing
capabilities.
Holograms
are resistant
to damage-
like memory
in the brain.
The persistent
puzzle of
a distributed
memory might
be solved.
The brain
had to behave,
in part, like
a hologram.
Goleman:
The puzzle
couldn't be
solved without
the hologram.
Pribram:
Right. We'd
been searching
for some organizational
principle
that would
allow for
the basic
facts of perceptual
constancy,
transfer of
learning,
and the elusiveness
of memory
in the brain.
Suddenly,
this principle
was presented
to us in the
hologram.
Goleman:
So that was
the single
organizing
principle
that allowed
for some understanding
of all those
things you
already knew
to be both
true and puzzling
about the
brain.
Pribram:
Yes. Best
of all, we
didn't have
to conjure
up a mechanism
in the brain;
the hologram
was there
all the time
in the wave
front nature
of brain cell
connectivity.
We simply
hadn't had
the wit to
realize it.
Even Eccles,
who pointed
to the wave
phenomenon
in the first
place, has
more recently
gone back
to emphasizing
the nerve
impulse aspects
of brain functioning.
Goleman:
But this is
all theory.
Do you have
any data to
back it up?
Pribram:
Once we saw
where to look,
it became
clear that
one test that
could be readily
made was whether
the behavior
of single
cells in,
for instance,
the visual
system, would
obey the mathematical
laws that
comprise a
hologram.
The physical
hologram stores
the interference
patterns of
light reflected
from objects.
The question
became, therefore,
whether there
are cells
in the brain
that respond
to the interference
patterns of
sensory input.
In short,
do they act
as frequency
analyzers
-that is,
do the cells
resonate to
different
frequencies?
Goleman:
Which is to
say, that
when the environment
presents a
certain frequency,
a specific
group of cells
in the brain
resonates
to that frequency
and not to
others?
Pribram:
Right. A century
ago, Georg
Simon Ohm
suggested
that brain
cells in the
auditory system
act as frequency
analyzers
for sounds.
Ohm is also
responsible
for Ohm's
Law in electricity,
which relates
to voltage,
amperage,
and resistance.
Hermann. von
Helmholtz
followed up
Ohms suggestions
and, for many
years, the
auditory system
was considered
to be something
like a piano
keyboard.
Then Georg
von Bekesy
showed that
the cochlea
of the inner
ear operated
more along
the lines
of a string
than a keyboard.
He also showed
that not only
the ear, but
the skin as
well acts
like a string:
it is sensitive
to vibrations
and their
frequencies
in such away
that, for
example, fine
tuning forks
vibrating
on the forearm
are perceived
as a simple
point of vibration
when their
phases of
vibration
are properly
adjusted.
In
our laboratory,
we showed
that only
a single response
is produced
in the brain
cortex under
those conditions.
A further
inference
than can now
be readily
tested quantitatively
is that the
brain cells
respond in
terms of this
interaction
of the response
and the frequencies
of the tuning
forks.
Goleman:
How so? What
are the mathematics
involved?
Pribram:
It's called
a Fourier
analysis,
and is a form
of calculus
that transforms
a complex
pattern into
its component
sine waves.
Helmholtz
showed that
this kind
of analysis
could explain
the functioning
of the auditory
system. Then
an entirely
different
line of research,
done in Russia
by N. Bernstein
in the 1930s,
showed that
the same type
of analysis
fit the motor
system. We
didn't hear
of that work
until the
1960s, because
Bernstein's
book, The
Coordination
and Regulation
o/ Movements
[Pergamon
Press), wasn't
translated
until 1967.
Goleman:
What did Bernstein
do?
Pribram:
It was really
fascinating.
He dressed
people in
black leotards
and took movies
of them against
black backgrounds.
Black on black.
Except that
he painted
white dots
on their joints
-elbows, knees,
and so on.
Then he had
them do things
like hammer
nails, or
jump up and
down on platforms
that were
on springs.
Of course,
all that his
movies showed
were white
dots moving
up and down
along the
film, creating
wave forms.
He
did a frequency
analysis at
the wave forms.
The mathematics
he used were
Fourier's.
With that
analysis,
he was able
to predict
within a few
millimeters
where the
next step
in the sequence
would fall.
Now,
I read Bernstein's
work and saw
that he was
using the
same mathematics
for motor
activity that
Ohm had used
to describe
the auditory
system. And
that was the
same mathematical
principle
that Gabor
had used to
invent the
hologram.
So I thought,
"If Bernstein
can do a Fourier
analysis on
these movements,
why can't
his brain
do it? And
if his brain
can do it,
mine can,
too, and perhaps
this is the
way everyone’s
brain analyzes
movements
into their
"frequency
components.”
Goleman:
So you have
the same organizing
principle
in the auditory,
somatosensory,
and the somatomotor
systems.
Pribram:
That left
the visual
system. In
1968 or so,
I got a note
from Fergus
Campbell at
Cambridge
University.
His group
had just shown
that the visual
system also
worked as
a frequency
analyzer for
patterns.
The significance
of his discovery
has still
not filtered
down to textbooks,
which consider
cells in the
visual system
as "feature
detectors,"
cells that
are selective
of highly
specific features,
such as lines
and comers.
A classic
study had
shown that
cells in a
frog's visual
system fired
only in response
to buglike
movements.
From such
studies, it
was concluded
that all of
the brain's
involvement
in perception
was due to
the fact that
particular
cells detected
particular
features.
That turns
out to be
only a partial
truth.
It's
not that cells
in the visual
system are
detecting
only a certain
line. What
they respond
to is the
patterns of
shadow and
light. Everywhere
one looks
there are
light and
dark areas.
It is these
areas the
eyes take
in and transmit
to the visual
cortex. The
light to dark
alternations
are measured
in terms of
spatial frequency
whereas the
auditory signal
is measured
in terms of
temporal frequency.
Cells in the
visual cortex
are frequency
analyzers;
they fire
in response
to a particular
spatial frequency.
With visual
patterns,
the alternations
are rather
complex, but
the Fourier
theorem says
that no matter
how complicated
a wave form
is, you can
break it down
into its component
sine waves.
Seven or at
the most 12
of these turn
out to describe
even a fairly
complex pattern
rather well.
Russell
DeValois at
Berkeley has
recently performed
a critical
experiment.
He mathematically
converted
a plaid pattern
into the Fourier
domain by
computer and
then recorded
how the cells
in the visual
cortex re
sponded to
the same plaid.
David Hubel
and Torsten
Wiesel at
Harvard Medical
School had
shown in the
late 1950s
that those
cells are
selective
of certain
spatial patterns.
DeValois pointed
out that the
plaid pattern
and its Fourier
transform
are different.
What
he found was
that the cells
were selective
for the Fourier
transform
of the plaid,
not for the
pattern of
the original
plaid itself.
By
now, evidence
from a half
dozen laboratories
from Leningrad
and Cambridge
to Harvard
and Berkeley,
and our own
laboratories
at Stanford,
supports the
conception
that this
is how the
visual system
does, in fact,
work. But
the issue
continues
to be controversial
because it
is intuitively
simple to
think visual
pattern's
are composed
of features,
as in Euclid's
geometry,
while it is
counterintuitive
and difficult
to grasp that
visual patterns
might be decomposed
into their
sine wave
components.
Goleman:
So the visual
system analyzes
a pattern
into its component
frequencies.
Then, instead
of a localized
engram that
might make
up a specific
memory, visual
memory is
composed of
wave forms
and organized
like the hologram.
So that the
memory becomes
activated
when the right
set of wave
forms is transmitted
from the eye.
Pribram:
Precisely.
Goleman:
Then, when
a familiar
room floods
us with memories,
it's because
the patterns
of shadow-
light shadow
that it evokes
trigger a
set of stored
holograms.
What we call
'situational
cues "for
memory are
no other than
a set of wave
forms that
can activate
the appropriate
hologram.
Pribram:
It also explains
how imitative
learning can
happen.
Goleman:
Imitative
learning?
When a child
learns to
march by watching
a parade,
or a novice
at tennis
learns how
to serve by
watching a
pro?
Pribram:
Yes. Imagine
what it would
be like to
learn a tennis
serve if you
had to extract
every feature
of what you
were copying,
and to describe
every move
to yourself,
feature by
feature. You
never think
about doing
it that way
-you just
watch how
it's done,
then go ahead
and try it
yourself.
You'd never
be able to
imitate the
subtleties
of the serve
piece by piece.
But if the
whole configuration
is transmitted
and analyzed
by virtue
of its component
wave forms
-if the brain
does a Fourier
transform
and activates
the appropriate
holographic
motor pattern
-then the
entire movement
can be readily
imitated.
Goleman:
So what happens
is that the
brain resonates
with a set
of wave forms
encoded in
the movement;
the brain
then activates
similar wave
forms to execute
the tennis
serve.
Pribram:
In a sense,
we thus resonate
to vibrations
-the counterculture
had it right:
we actually
can resonate
to each other's
"vibes."
Goleman: It
reminds me
of the master
hypnotist,
Milton Erickson
who has the
ability to
tune into
everything
about the
other person
-body posture,
tome of voice,
breath rate,
facial expression
-and imitate
it perfectly.
He does it
to establish
a deep rapport
with the patient
that leads
easily to
a trance state.
Erickson's
genius seems
to be in doing
this a step
deeper than
most of us
do normally
when we are
with another
person.
The
holographic
model seems
to say that
when two people
are in synchrony
this way,
their brains
arc picking
up and implementing
the same holographic
wave forms.
Pribram:
Exactly. The
brain can
instantly
resonate to
and thus "recognize"
wave forms.
Once "recognized,"
the inverse
transform
allows
them to be
implemented
in behavior.
We
apparently
need to get
on the same
wavelength
-literally
-before we
can understand
each other.
Perhaps this
accounts for
the fact that
a behaviorist
may operate
in one particular
mode composed
of different
combinations
of frequencies
from those
characteristic
of the humanist.
Goleman:
Then when
people don't
"connect"
in everyday
life, just
don't understand
each other,
is there some
sense in which
their holograms
are out of
phase?
Pribram:
Absolutely.
The hologram
yields a new
way of looking
at consciousness
that is very
different
from the old
behaviorist
and phenomenologist
approaches.
The behaviorist
looks for
cause and
effect; the
phenomenologist,
for reasons
and intentions.
In holography,
however, one
looks for
the transformations
involved in
moving from
one domain
to another.
Goleman:
It sounds
as though
there is not
a single hologram
in the brain,
but, rather,
the capacity
for a vast
array of them.
Pribram:
That's right.
And it's an
important
caveat. You
must understand
that the brain
is a very
particular
kind of holographic
instrument.
Brain physiologists
have found
that the receptive
field of a
single cell
in the visual
system covers
at most 5
degrees of
visual angle.
It is within
this 5 degree
patch that
there's a
hologram.
When one records
electrical
impulses from
cells in the
visual cortex,
one finds
that within
any given
5 degrees,
a cell records
in the pattern
predicted
by the frequency
domain.
Next
to that is
another cell
with another
5 degree receptive
field. Thus,
the cortical
surface is
composed of
these patches,
each of which
encodes in
the frequency
domain.
The
holograms
within the
visual system
are therefore
patch holograms.
The total
image is composed
much as it
is in an insect
eye that has
hundreds of
little lenses
instead of
one single
big lens;
the insect
gets a composite
image that's
just as good
as if there
were a single
lens. Or,
take the audio
speaker system
that uses
18 small four
inch drivers,
or condensed
speakers [as
in some of
the Bose systems]
instead of
one big 12
or 18 inch
speaker. One
obtains the
same single
"image"
from either.
There's
an advantage
to patches,
though. When
one moves
across the
control surface
from one patch
to another,
the encoding
is slightly
different,
and so movement
can be sensed.
The multilensed
insect eye
is far more
sensitive
to slight
movements.
Patch holograms
are a much
more powerful
way of encoding
than a simple
hologram.
Goleman:
But if my
visual system
is a patchwork
composite
of all these
5 degree spans,
why don't
I experience
a room as
a visual patchwork?
Pribram:
In each patch,
the activity
of the cells
creates a
wave front;
I believe
that the interaction
of these wave
fronts is
what you experience.
You get the
total pattern
all woven
together as
a unified
piece by the
time you experience
it.
One
of the elegant
things about
the holographic
domain is
that memory
storage is
fantastically
great. Storage
is also simpler,
because all
that is needed
is to store
a few rules
rather than
vast amounts
of detail.
Another advantage
is that correlations
are done incredibly
rapidly. In
a computer,
the fastest
way to analyze
data is to
transform
them to the
Fourier domain
and do cross
correlations;
the computer
is simulating
what neural
holograms
do is the
brain.
Goleman:
Then the hologram
would seem
to be an efficient
mode for decision
making. It
would allow
a person to
interact spontaneously
with a very
complex environment.
Pribram:
Extremely
efficient.
Decisions
fall out as
the holographic
correlations
are performed.
One doesn't
have to think
things through
one-two three
four -a step
at a time.
One takes
the whole
constellation
of a situation,
correlates
it, and out
of that correlation
emerges the
correct response.
And one can
execute numerous
correlations
simultaneously.
Goleman:
This seems
to me to explain
how it is
that we can
take in so
much information
from our surroundings
but consciously
attend to
very little
of it. We
somehow immediately
isolate the
critical aspects
of a situation
from moment
to moment
and deal with
them all at
once.
Pribram:
As I look
around the
room, the
amount of
information
I'm processing
is fantastic!
My brain can
do this only
if one stage
of information
processing
is in the
frequency
domain, like
a hologram.
In such instances,
it is probably
best not to
speak of information
processing,
but of image
processing.
The term "information"
suggests that
the sensory
input has
become divided
into sections,
alternative
events, whereas
image processing
implies a
more holistic
mechanism
is at work.
Speaking
of holistic
images brines
me to another
point. When
I was teaching
at Harvard,
B. F. Skinner
once confronted
me with a
challenge.
He and other
behaviorists
would talk
about what
went on inside
the head in
terms of a
"black
box."
They insisted
on dealing
only with
behavior that
could be directly
observed;
the brain
was a mystery
they chose
to ignore.
Skinner asked
me what I
thought of
Wolfgang Kohler's
theory of
isomorphism:
the idea that
there was
a one to one
correspondence
between the
form (morphology)
of the world
around us
and the form
in the brain
representing
that world.
Kohler's
isomorphism
was literal:
if, one were
observing
a square,
Kohler would
expect to
find electrical
activity in
the form of
a square in
the brain.
Skinner asked
whether I
would like
to imagine
mowing a lawn.
What might
be going on
in my brain
if isomorphism
were correct?
I had to reply
that I had
no good answer
to his question;
in that case,
he said, he
would go on
treating the
behavior of
organisms
in terms of
the black
box approach.
But now that
I can think
of the brain
as a hologram,
which is just
the patterning
of wave forms,
I am in a
much better
position to
answer Skinner.
However, it
also entails
the view that
the world
around us
is isomorphic
to the brain,
i.e., that
the world
is, in part,
made up of
the patterning
of wave forms.
Goleman:
The wave forms
"out
there"
are isomorphic
to the wave
forms in the
brain.
Pribram:
Yes! One aspect
of the universe
is that it
is composed
of wave forms.
Goleman:
But we perceive
the world
as images
and objects.
Pribram:
We make images
of objects,
but at another
level of analysis,
quantum physics
tells us that
the universe
is composed
of wave forms
that interact
to form particles
or vice versa.
Goleman:
Then we cannot
directly apprehend
the world
as it actually
is, but only
as the filters
in our brains
make it seem?
Pribram:
No, that's
not quite
right. The
world we directly
apprehend
is one reality.
Another, perhaps
a more encompassing
reality, is
the one the
physicists
have become
aware of in
the past half
century.
The
scientist
who's putting
the most thought
into this
problem is
David Bohm
of London
University.
He's a theoretical
physicist
who has come
at the problem
from a totally
different
direction,
but is coming
out in the
same place
that I am
from my work
with the brain.
That is, the
physical universe
and our brains
have in common
an order of
reality that
is similar
in organization
to holograms.
Bohm
pointed out
that ever
since the
telescope
and the microscope
were invented,
we've been
looking at
the micro
and macrouniverse
through lenses.
And, what's
more, deriving
our conceptual
models, our
concepts of
physics and
biology in
the same way.
Goleman:
Does this
mean that
our models
of the physical
universe are
limited in
some fashion,
in the same
way that the
properties
of lenses
limit what
the viewer
sees through
them.? What's
limiting about
a lens?
Pribram:
A lens objectifies.
Scientists
are always
trying to
be objective,
to work with
objects and
particles
and things.
But in quantum
physics, particles
don't act
only like
objects, they
also behave
as if they
were wave
forms. David
Bohm has been
suggesting
that these
wave forms
may compose
hologram like
organizations
he calls the
"implicate
order."
That is a
very different
way of looking
at the universe
from the lens
defined world
view, different
from the "objective"
approach,
which Bohm
refers to
as the "explicate
order."
If psychology
is to understand
the conditions
that produce
the world
of appearances,
it must hook
to the thinking
of physicists
like Bohm.
Goleman:
Does Bohm
have any support
among other
physicists?
Pribram:
He's in very
good company.
Some of the
others who
have grappled
with the same
problems include
Niels Bohr,
Werner Heisenberg,
Eugene Wigner
and, of course,
Albert Einstein.
Bohm had worked
with Einstein,
who was searching
for a unified
field theory.
Einstein didn't
like the probabilistic,
statistical
view that,
at bottom,
the physical
universe is
composed of
essentially,
haphazard
movements
of minute
objects, particles
such as electrons,
photons, and
quarks. As
Einstein once
put it, he
did not believe
God played
dice with
the universe.
Bohm is offering
an alternative
conceptual
resolution
of the particle
wave dilemma
by suggesting
that behind
haphazard
appearance
lies a domain
of constraints
that, when
uncovered,
will provide
a consistent,
nonstatistical
basis for
the apparently
haphazard
comings and
goings of
individual
particles.
Goleman:
But the universe
we see and
understand
is the explicate
order. You've
said tour
brains can
analyze holographically,
which should
be within
the implicate
order. Why,
then, is our
reality one
of objects
rather than
wave forms?
Pribram:
Because our
sesnes are
all lens systems
of one sort
or another..
The lens of
the eye is
more highly
developed
than that
of the cochlea
in the ear
or that of
the sensors
in the skin.
But those
sensory surfaces
all act, as
shown by Bekesy’s
work, as primitive
forms of lenses.
Goleman:
Then, we create
an object
world because
of the way
our senses
and brain
are organized,
not because
of the way
the world
is organized
per se.
Pribram:
Don't misunderstand.
The world
of appearances
is certainly
a real world.
But it is
not the only
order of reality.
Both physics
and biology
tell us that.
We directly
perceive only
one order.
Yet we know
from other
sources that
the world
is round.
The fact that
in the world
of appearances
it seems flat
doesn't contradict
the other
reality, its
roundness.
Goleman:
In the range
at which I
have too deal
with the world,
it is irrelevant
that it is
round.
Pribram:
Exactly. The
same holds
for holographic
reality. It
isn't that
the world
of appearances
is wrong;
it isn't that
there aren't
objects out
there, at
one level
of reality.
It's that
if you penetrate
through and
look at the
universe with
a nonlens
system, in
this case
a holographic
system, you
arrive at
a different
view, a different
reality. And
that otther
reality can
explain things
that have
hitherto remained
inexplicable
scientifically.
Goleman:
Such as...
Pribram:
Such as paranormal
phenomena.
Synchronicities,
the apparently
meaningful
coincidence
of events.
As a way of
hooking at
consciousness,
holographic
theory is
much closer
to mystical
and Eastern
philosophy.
It will take
a while for
people, to
became comfortable
with an order
of reality
other than
the world
of appearances.
But it seems
to me that
some of the
mystical experiences
people have
described
for millennia
begin to make
some scientific
sense. They
bespeak the
possibility
of tapping
into that
order of reality
that is behind
the world
of appearances.
I have no
personal experience
with that,
but when I
read some
descriptions
of mystical
experiences,
I wonder if
somehow those
people haven't
hit upon a
mechanism
that lets
them tap into
the implicate
order.
Goleman:
What might
such a mechanism
be?
Pribram:
My best hunch
is that access
to those other
domains of
consciousness
is through
attention.
Goleman:
That makes
sense. Many
classical
spiritual
methods deal
with retraining
attention,
mainly through
meditation.
Eastern religious
literature
is rife with
accounts of
the paranormal
and transcendental
states people
have reached
through these
methods, ranging
from simple
precognition
through knowledge
of another's
thoughts to
a leap into
transcendental
oneness.
But,
mysticism
aside, most
of us have
experienced
what Jung
called "synchronicity,"
where two
or more events
happen that
suggest an
uncanny connectedness.
For example,
you get a
letter from
a friend the
day you start
to write one
yourself,
yet you've
booth been
outt of touch
for years.
Unless you
discount it
as just haphazard
coincidence,
there's no
explanation
for synchronicity.
Pribram:
In terms of
holographic
theory, all
those events
are plausible
if the brain
can somehow
abrogate its
ordinary constraints
and gain access
to the implicate
order.
Goleman:
If the key
to the implicate
order is attention,
what part
of the brain
turns the
key?
Pribram:
We have some
likely candidates.
There's the
frontal lobe-limbic
connection--which
ties structures
in the depths
pf the brain
to the cortex
at the top.
We know it
is a major
regulator
of attention.
Goleman:
You suggest
that there
is a particular
mechanism
in the brain
that probes
the doorway
to the implicate
order, and
that, once
entered, that
order allows
a range of
experiences
that defy
our assumptions
of what is
possible for
consciousness.
The implications
are staggering.
The hologram
and Fourier
frequency
domain have
the makings
of good science
fiction.
Pribram:
It is mind
boggling.
The frequency
domain deals
with the density
of occurrences
only; time
and space
are collapsed.
Ordinary boundaries
of space and
time, such
as locations
of any sort,
disappear.
They are read
out, or re
created, when
transformations
into the domain
of objects
and images
occur. In
the absence
of space time
coordinates,
the causality
upon which
most scientific
explanations
depend is
also suspended.
Goleman:
Density of
occurrences.
But isn't
density a
quality of
space?
Pribram:
Fine, if there
is space!
You see, we
don't know
how to talk
in anything
but space
time coordinates.
But when I
do a frequency
analysis of
an EEG, neither
of my coordinates
displays time
or space.
One axis deals
with the spectrum,
the other
with power,
or the amount
of activity
in its density
at each node
in the spectrum.
Goleman:
So it's possible
to translate
time space
phenomena
into other
domains in
which the
organizing
principles
are not interims
of time or
space, repackaging
information
in a new way.
Pribram:
Yes. In the
frequency
domain, time
and space
become collapsed.
In a sense,
everything
is happening
all at once,
synchronously.
But one can
read out what
is happening
into a variety
of coordinates
of which
space and
time are the
most helpful
in bringing
us into the
ordinary domain
of appearances.
Goleman:
Is there any
way an ordinary
person’s
brain can
jump into
such a timeless
and spaceless
domain??
Pribram:
It does it
all the time.
I've been
talking to
you for two
hours, and
I didn’t
have any of
the material
we discussed
organized
in time or
space. It
was holographically
organized,
and I've been
reading it
out of my
brain. Like
printout from
a computer
memory. My
memory is
organized
along other
dimensions
than time
and space
-though space
and time tags
may be attached
to particular
memories.
Goleman:
Even so, the
paranormal
demands much
more than
our ordinary
access to
the implicate
order.
Pribram:
While we don't
know what
the mechanisms
for a leap
to the paranormal
might be,
for the first
time, we have
to suspend
clue disbelief
in such phenomena
because there
is now a scientific
base that
allows understanding.
Perhaps if
we could discover
the rules
for "tuning
in" on
the holographic
implicate
domain, we
could come
to some agreement
as to what
constitutes
normal and
paranormal,
and even some
deeper understanding
of the implicate
order of the
universe.
We
all could
perhaps then
leap, occasionally,
into the timeless
and spaceless
domain.
Goleman:
In some metaphysical
systems, that
domain corresponds
to the definition
of God.
Pribram:
That's right.
Leibnitz talked
about "monads,"
and a windowless,
indivisible
entity that
is the basic
unit of the
universe and
a microcosm
of it. God,
said Leibnitz,
was a monad.
Leibnitz was
the inventor
of the calculus,
the same mathematics
that Gabor
used to invent
the hologram.
I would change
one word in
the monadology.
Instead of
calling it
windowless,
I prefer to
call monads
lensless.
In a monadic
organization,
the part contains
the whole—as
in a hologram.
"Man
was made in
the image
of God."
Spiritual
insights fit
the descriptions
of this domain.
They're made
perfectly
plausible
by the invention
of the hologram.
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the laser's
original
beam is
split,
one part
is deflected
toward
the film
plate
and the
other
is bounced
off the
object.
When the
beams
reconverge,
they form
a light
interference
pattern
that is
recorded.
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The
image
is reconstructed
when a
second
beam is
reflected
off the
plates
and diffused
in the
same pattern.
If you
drop two
pebbles
into a
pond,
concentric
circles,
or waves,
radiate
out from
each.
When the
two sets
of waves
run into
each other,
they form
in interference
pattern.
Where
the crests
of waves
meet,
they make
a wave
that is
twice
as high;
if a wave
meets
a trough,
the two
will cancel
each other
out to
form a
flat patch;
if two
troughs
meet,
they will
make a
deeper
trough.
Light
waves
produce
the
same
complex
mix
of interference
patterns
when
they
intersect.
Like
the
pebble's
in the
pond,
a laser
-the
purest
form
of light
available
-sends
out
a beam
of light
waves
in one
frequency.
When
two
laser
beams
meet,
they
produce
an interference
pattern
of light
and
dark.
If one
of the
beams
is reflected
off
an object,
such
as a
face,
and
then
strikes
a photographic
plate,
the
plate
will
record
the
interference
pattern,
thus
storing
an image
of the
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In
an ordinary
light,
the plate
looks
a uniform
silvery
gray.
But when
the right
frequency
of light
from a
projector
strikes
the plate,
the original
interference
pattern
is set
up, creating
a holographic
image.
We see
a replica
of the
face,
projected
away from
the plate
that appears
three-dimensional
in that
the viewer
can see
different
sides
of it
as he
changes
position.
According
to Karl
Pribram,
the hologram
provides
us with
the long
sought
model
of how
sensory
input
is distributed
in the
brain,
then stored
as memory,
and later
reconstructed.
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